Combos for all classes

[technole]

Seeing as we don't have a depository for all class combos, I decided to put together one thread for all optimal combos for several different class builds. These have been tested and are used regularly by many friends in the community and myself. Hours of testing, pages of notes, and many KOD3 Ice Dragons were killed solo over time testing combos.

Most of thse combos are optimized for end-game gear with appropriate stat builds listed below. But many can also be used with lower-GR equipment. Some may not combo complete without GR12 weapons or a full +10 elemental upgrade. However the combos that require a full +10 full elemental upgrade are listed and generally are superior to other combos that use the same amount of AC. An example of such is the 3AC Longsword combo below.

Generally I don't use more than 3-4AC but there are some higher ones like 6AC elemental bow that are excellent returns. Obviously the choice is yours, test them out yourself!


Structure for Combo Bonus (in % damage)
100 – 100 – 120 – 110 – 110 – 130 – 140


Short Sword (AGI/STR focus)

1ac: Lunging Slash > Slash
3ac: Lunging Slash > Slash > Rising Slash > Crescent Moon
4ac: Lunging Slash > Slash > Rising Slash> Sky Slash > Crescent Moon
5ac: Lunging Slash > Slash > Rising Slash > Sky Slash > Crescent Moon > Downcast
5ac: Helm Buster > Slash > Lunging Slash > Rising Slash > Sky Slash > Crescent Moon
6ac: Helm Buster > Windup thrust > Lunging Slash > Slash > Rising Slash > Sky Slash > Crescent Moon

Longsword (STR/AGI focus)

3ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw (+10 elemental required)
4ac: Fang > Hack > Dragonclaw > Sky Fang > Sky Grinder (For non-elemental)
4ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw > Crackdown (+10 elemental required)
5ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw > Sky Fang > Crackdown (+10 elemental required)
6ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw > Sky Grinder > Sky Fang > Crackdown

Longsword (AGI/STR focus)

3ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Void Strike (+10 elemental required)
4ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw > Sky Fang (+10 elemental required)
5ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw > Sky Grinder > Sky Fang

Longsword (“balanced” STR-AGI)

1ac: Fang > Hack
3ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw
4ac: Grinder > Hack > Fang > Dragonclaw > Sky Fang
4ac: Fang > Hack > Dragonclaw > Sky Grinder > Sky Fang
5ac: Fang > Hack > Dragonclaw > Sky Grinder > Sky Fang > Crackdown

Spear (VIT/DEX focus)

1ac: Dart > Chop
3ac: Dart > Chop > Unicorn charge > Shooting star
3ac: Carve > Chop > Dart > Unicorn charge (+10 elemental required)
4ac: Dart > Chop > Pentaslam > Unicorn charge
5ac: Carve > Chop > Pentaslam > Dart > Unicorn charge
6ac: Carve > Chop > Pentaslam > Dart > Unicorn charge > Shooting star
7ac: Skewer > Chop > Pentaslam > Dart > Carve > Unicorn charge > Shooting star


Spear (DEX/VIT focus)

3ac: Skewer > Chop > Dart > Unicorn charge
4ac: Dart > Chop > Pentaslam > Unicorn charge


Bow (DEX/INT focus)

Non Elemental:

1ac: Bullseye > Sting
4ac: Bullseye > Sting > Double nock > Needle
5ac: Bullseye > Sting > Triple nock > Needle

Elemental:

3ac: Bullseye > Sting > Elemental tip > Needle
4ac: Bullseye > Sting > Elemental bolt > Elemental tip (+5 elemental bow required)
4ac: Bullseye > Sting > Elemental bolt > Needle
5ac: Bullseye > Sting > Elemental bolt > Elemental tip > Needle
5ac: Bullseye > Sting > Double Nock > Elemental tip > Needle
6ac: Bullseye > Sting > Elemental bolt > Elemental tip > Elemental tip (neutral) > Needle
7ac: Bullseye > Sting > Elemental tip > Elemental tip (neutral) > Elemental tip (neutral) > Elemental bolt > Needle
11ac: Bullseye > Sting > Elemental bolt > Elemental bolt > Double nock > Elemental bolt > Elemental bolt


Axe (STR/AGI-focus)

1ac: Full Swing > Shatter
3ac: Chop > Shatter > Tackle > Full Swing
3ac: Full Swing > Shatter > Tackle > Bull charge (Preferred; does more damage on average)
4ac: Chop > Shatter > Tackle > Full Swing > Bull Charge
5ac: Crush > Shatter > Tackle > Chop > Full Swing > Bull Charge
5ac: Chop > Shatter > Tackle > Full Swing > Bull Charge > Sky Strike
6ac: Crush > Shatter > Tackle > Chop > Full Swing > Bull Charge > Sky Strike
6ac: Chop > Shatter > Tackle > Full Swing > Bull Charge > Full Impact
7ac: Crush > Shatter > Tackle > Full Swing > Chop > Pulverize > Bull Charge


Melee Staff (SPR/STR focus)

1ac: Staff Smite > Staff Strike
3ac: Troll prod > Staff Strike > Staff Smite > Launch
4ac: Staff Smite > Staff Strike > Pummel > Launch
4ac: Staff Wallop > Troll prod > Staff Smite > Staff Strike > Launch
5ac: Troll prod > Staff Strike > Pummel > Staff Smite > Launch
6ac: Staff Wallop > Troll prod > pummel > Staff Smite > Staff Strike > Launch
7ac: Kibble prod > Staff Wallop > Staff Smite > Staff Strike > Troll prod > Pummel > Launch


Staff (INT/SPR focus)

3ac: Elemental staff > Staff Strike > Elemental shock > Elemental (second level spell)
4ac: Elemental staff > Staff Strike > Elemental ire > Elemental shock
4ac: (Neutral) Shock > Staff Strike > Elemental shock > Elemental staff > Elemental (second level spell)

[Aruberikku]

Looks very nice I've favourited this page in case I ever have the "courage" to finish this game.

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[sunnygrg]

I have been wondering about this for a while. Do people just use those 11AC Bow combos to mindfuck you? I see no merit in using it unless you have too many ACs lying around.

[technole]

Originally Posted by sunnygrg

I have been wondering about this for a while. Do people just use those 11AC Bow combos to mindfuck you? I see no merit in using it unless you have too many ACs lying around.

When it came to Black Knaves I always used the elemental bolt combos because of strike.

I actually used that 11ac once when I was bow and we glitched Mercenary Force 2 for fun where you get two pyros and two black knaves, and we did complete it! With optimal GR15 gear that combo can practically bring down a Black Knave on its own.

So while its fun and not normally used because elemental 5-6ac bolt combos are the most optimal to Black Knaves when it comes to damage-to-AC ratio. It certainly had its use that day.

[Anewlife2010]

On the above mentioned skills for LS combos is there anything i need besides Demons Aura and Placid Heart? Im just trying to maximize my final build. Im currently on my fourth rebirth any imput would be appericatied.

Also im trying to decide on my second Class, so any info on what works well with LS would be nice. Thinking either bow or spear.

[technole]

Originally Posted by Anewlife2010

On the above mentioned skills for LS combos is there anything i need besides Demons Aura and Placid Heart? Im just trying to maximize my final build. Im currently on my fourth rebirth any imput would be appericatied.

Also im trying to decide on my second Class, so any info on what works well with LS would be nice. Thinking either bow or spear.

Since Placid Heart is one of the longsword skills near the end to unlock with points you should have everything you need for the combos by that point. Skills you can easily skip are the thrust moves and elemental moves since you will never use those as they are not in any of the optimal combos.

You will want all the possible AGI, STR, DEX passives you can get from every tree for longsword. If you are doing spear and/or bow, you'll definitely want all the DEX possible.

For bow, get all DEX and INT. For Spear, all VIT passives as well. Both will work with longsword no problem!

In-fact you can realistically put together up to four optimal class builds after your forth rebirth. Before I went Short Sword/Melee Mage only, I had Shortsword/Axe/Bow/Spear and I was able to get all the above skills. So after you decide on your second class, you could use more points to add another class if you finished all the stars for the trophy.

You'll just have to make some decisions to pass up some unnecessary skills and bonuses like SPR for those builds. With Shortsword for example you can actually get away with just 29% of the tree as the combos above are moves that can be unlocked with just a little amount of skill points.

[Anewlife2010]

Originally Posted by technole

Since Placid Heart is one of the longsword skills near the end to unlock with points you should have everything you need for the combos by that point. Skills you can easily skip are the thrust moves and elemental moves since you will never use those as they are not in any of the optimal combos.

You will want all the possible AGI, STR, DEX passives you can get from every tree for longsword. If you are doing spear and/or bow, you'll definitely want all the DEX possible.

For bow, get all DEX and INT. For Spear, all VIT passives as well. Both will work with longsword no problem!

In-fact you can realistically put together up to four optimal class builds after your forth rebirth. Before I went Short Sword/Melee Mage only, I had Shortsword/Axe/Bow/Spear and I was able to get all the above skills. So after you decide on your second class, you could use more points to add another class if you finished all the stars for the trophy.

You'll just have to make some decisions to pass up some unnecessary skills and bonuses like SPR for those builds. With Shortsword for example you can actually get away with just 29% of the tree as the combos above are moves that can be unlocked with just a little amount of skill points.

Thanks for the help, currently i think i have a build im happy with. It took me about 5 or 6 save reloads but i happy with it for now. I have all of my STR, DEX, AGI, and VIT modifers now. Also all HP ups and most of the MP ups. Currently my final build is at lvl 44 with:

LS at 72% with mentioned skills above
Spear at 62% was thinking about a couple of more skills like Dark Thrust
Divine at 75% I need my healing im not really Tanking kinda of person. Plus when im in a group i can heal those who refuse to heal themselves.

Just one more question, skills like Ascenion are they worth adding or just stick with the skills i have for my combos? I have about 24 points left so im just trying to figure out what im going to need and whats just junk.(like Deadly Fang)

[technole]

Originally Posted by Anewlife2010

Thanks for the help, currently i think i have a build im happy with. It took me about 5 or 6 save reloads but i happy with it for now. I have all of my STR, DEX, AGI, and VIT modifers now. Also all HP ups and most of the MP ups. Currently my final build is at lvl 44 with:

LS at 72% with mentioned skills above
Spear at 62% was thinking about a couple of more skills like Dark Thrust
Divine at 75% I need my healing im not really Tanking kinda of person. Plus when im in a group i can heal those who refuse to heal themselves.

Just one more question, skills like Ascenion are they worth adding or just stick with the skills i have for my combos? I have about 24 points left so im just trying to figure out what im going to need and whats just junk.(like Deadly Fang)

Yeah that looks good. I was around 75% divine in the last build as I wasn't going around soloing stuff, plus Heal III+ and Raise+ are just never needed as I never played with anyone outside of friends at the time.

Ascenion isn't totally worth it considering the AC cost to damage ratio. In my experience I would always side on getting another aerial move aside from just Shooting Star that way you can at least have a full aerial combo for any possible dire situation in say Miner Problem II. I also always got the tanking skills even though I wasn't often tanking but there would be the days we just wanted one for that quest.

[Anewlife2010]

Originally Posted by technole

Yeah that looks good. I was around 75% divine in the last build as I wasn't going around soloing stuff, plus Heal III+ and Raise+ are just never needed as I never played with anyone outside of friends at the time.

Ascenion isn't totally worth it considering the AC cost to damage ratio. In my experience I would always side on getting another aerial move aside from just Shooting Star that way you can at least have a full aerial combo for any possible dire situation in say Miner Problem II. I also always got the tanking skills even though I wasn't often tanking but there would be the days we just wanted one for that quest.

Thanks again, of course now im just waiting for PSN to come back on. Until then i just have to wait to try my build.