I played over 30 hours now

[magifyre]

I had a headache after the prologue. I don't even know where to begin. I'm getting another headache just thinking about it. This is definitely not the RPGs that I was brought up on. The story is just so.. blah.. and the voice acting is just so.. blah.. I'd rather just have text honestly. Everything about this game seems simple. There's even a nice icon on the map to run to for everything.

I miss the days of Dragon Warrior 1-4. Back when you needed a brain to play an RPG and not just the ability to follow a blinking icon on the map and spam attack (auto targeting attack at that). I mean if you're going to make targeting automatic why even bother keeping the free movement in combat. Just make it turn-based at that point, and keep the whole strategy element of the RPG alive at least. Just saying.

[starcrunch061]

Originally Posted by denyer87

Gone are the days of Grandia, Suikoden, Final Fantasy (1 through 10) and games like the legend of dragoon.

Sony should really consider trying to sweeten the pot on the developers of these games to add trophy data to them and get them on PSN. i would definatley pay for them again (even though i have the disc versions) just to collect some trophy data to add a bit of spice to them.

I can't believe people actually like this game. It's not the worst RPG I've played, but easily one of the most disappointing.

I do agree with your late sentiment, though. I played Suikoden II recently, and wondered "Wow - this game would be awesome with trophies." A trophy for getting to the end of Clive's quest, AND getting the best ending simultaneously? That would be worth working for.

[Shido]

I feel like RPg players are jaded . If it aint japanese it aint a rpg , or if it aint fallout/oblivion it aint an rpg .

Me personally I like it so far . I hate how the online is crap because of the hackers, but that goes with a lot of online games not just this one . The story is not spectacular but it's not as horrid as some JRPGs have begun to get . the voice acting is cheesey and feels like im watching a B grade medevil movie lol but our protagonist is bad ass like snake plissken of rpgs (least thats how he is trying to come off to me). but that brings it a nice charm . Yes the game glitches but it's not a broken game like Fallout 3 and New Vegas . Graphics are ok , but I dare say more perverted than Jrpgs in that they actually went through the trouble of giving some of the females (like the oracle girl) permanent pokies . The motion blur does get some taking used to but definitely is not that crazy you should be having headaches , seisures and vomiting :P

Just to go a bit off topic and talk about an earlier post . FF13 SUCKED . I get you may prefer turn based battles , but 13 was a piece of trash through and through . IDC how pretty the graphics were , the animations were stiff and clunky . Almost felt and looked like I was playing an hd ps2 FF . The mapping was extremely linear , lack of real exploration and interactivity (thanks to the removal of towns) . did we really need a mini map for that ?

The battle system was horrendous . I hated in 12 how there was no real uniqueness to the characters in battle , how anyone could practically be as good as anyone else using any said battle style . It's like Square read my mind and decided to annoy me personally further but again not giving individuality to battle but this time instead of lack of character now its a force to use characters . In every other class defining or character unique FF (x-2 all the way back to class era of the oldies) You could use what you want and who you want . you might struggle because of it but you could do it . 13 you had to use certain paradigms (or wtv they are called) no if ands or buts . there were some battles un winnable without changing , and definitely not platinumable without following the forced teams that square thought was best .

As for the story of the game . I have no negative or positive opinion . It painted a clearer picture than 12 did imo which is good , but it was still lacking and felt over dramatic for the sake of being "deep" . I have no qualms over love story being part of it (I think the love story aspect really shined in X ) but it just felt like 13 was struggling to find a sticking point and randomly forced snow and lightnings family love drama into parts where it just didnt make sense .

Also on a not so serious note , FF13 is racist :P . Black dude , holding two pistols side ways , with chicken nuggets popping out his fro .

[magifyre]

FF13 did suck compared to some better FF games, but this game is so much worse. The only saving grace is the creative magic system. Bad story, Bad animation, bad voice acting, bad mapping, bad AI, horrible ending, sluggish controls. Should I go on? I wish I had waited til this garbage was bargain bin.

Then, on a side note. Most games that come out today labeled "RPG" are definitely not RPGs. I really hate that game designers have started trying to fuse shooters with RPG elements. It's bastardizing my genre, and I don't like it.

[EtherealSkye]

Gah!!! This game is on my pending plats list. I was too lazy to roam around and look for 25 dungeons :P I did try to finish the "multiplayer" adventure by myself (more like run like crazy) I was successful tho. Now I just have to do trophy clean-ups argh... the music is not that bad... but yeah I'll get around to platting this one, eventually....

[Shido]

Originally Posted by magifyre

FF13 did suck compared to some better FF games, but this game is so much worse. The only saving grace is the creative magic system. Bad story, Bad animation, bad voice acting, bad mapping, bad AI, horrible ending, sluggish controls. Should I go on? I wish I had waited til this garbage was bargain bin.

Then, on a side note. Most games that come out today labeled "RPG" are definitely not RPGs. I really hate that game designers have started trying to fuse shooters with RPG elements. It's bastardizing my genre, and I don't like it.

I got this game for free , so maybe I dont hate it as much because I dont have buyers remorse xD .

It's bastardizing my genre . There is no more room for purist and elitist in genres today . Much like the way of cooking , gaming has become a field of fusion . RPG/shooters , Surivival/Action , Puzzle/Adventure (seriously catherine?) , etc etc . It's not a bad thing , A lot of games benefit greatly borrowing mechanics of other genres . IMO , it is only bad when the line starts to get blurred and ppl become confused (even devs with their labeling) on the genre a game really is . Ill list some examples

Fallout : RPG
Borderlands:Shooter with strong rpg elements so Shooter:Rpg
ME2/3: wheres the line ?
Mag/Cod/any other shooter with exp and level system : Still a shooter through and through but with rpg elements having become mainstays in the genre .

Or take a game like bioshock . Ihave yet to play it yet . Mainly because I have so many other games on my plate . but out of my friends that have there is a huge debate. fps ? Rpg ? Action/adv ? Each one makes valid points but without having played the game I say eitehr way .

Or red dead . I see that game as action/adventure . There are plenty of people who argue it's a third person shooter . do you make it a shooter because shooting is your form of combat ? I dont think so . Which brings us back to fallout , borderlands and ME . Are we eating italian ? or italian japanese fusion lol .

[starcrunch061]

Originally Posted by primebeaver

and no platinum in sight got like six trophies to go and been playing online by myself woooowwww what a pain.....Ill plat it eventually but in no hurry to do it....

Don't play online by yourself. It's a big mistake. It's not a huge online community, but if you hang around, you can usually find an uber-powerful person to play with. I wasted a lot of time playing through the first 4 online adventures solo. I got the last 3 in an evening by just waiting for good players.

As for the thread, I thought the single player game was OK. Nothing special, but imminently playable. I thought the online village was a great idea, but the online adventure sucked. There was nothing going on except for, "Run to point A, and then to point B."

[magifyre]

Originally Posted by Shido

I got this game for free , so maybe I dont hate it as much because I dont have buyers remorse xD .

It's bastardizing my genre . There is no more room for purist and elitist in genres today . Much like the way of cooking , gaming has become a field of fusion . RPG/shooters , Surivival/Action , Puzzle/Adventure (seriously catherine?) , etc etc . It's not a bad thing , A lot of games benefit greatly borrowing mechanics of other genres . IMO , it is only bad when the line starts to get blurred and ppl become confused (even devs with their labeling) on the genre a game really is . Ill list some examples

Fallout : RPG
Borderlands:Shooter with strong rpg elements so Shooter:Rpg
ME2/3: wheres the line ?
Mag/Cod/any other shooter with exp and level system : Still a shooter through and through but with rpg elements having become mainstays in the genre .

Or take a game like bioshock . Ihave yet to play it yet . Mainly because I have so many other games on my plate . but out of my friends that have there is a huge debate. fps ? Rpg ? Action/adv ? Each one makes valid points but without having played the game I say eitehr way .

Or red dead . I see that game as action/adventure . There are plenty of people who argue it's a third person shooter . do you make it a shooter because shooting is your form of combat ? I dont think so . Which brings us back to fallout , borderlands and ME . Are we eating italian ? or italian japanese fusion lol .

I think, rather, that there's no room in the genre for this new garbage mix genre. Let me cover your list. Fallout is not an RPG. It is a poorly made shooter that you level up in, and follow a blinking icon to finish "quests". COD are shooters that you level up in. Borderlands is a shooter that you follow a blinking icon doing "quests". Bioshock is a shooter. ME is a shooter with dialogue. Shooters are not RPGs. Just because shooters are popular with the brainless masses of video gaming today, does not mean that every other genre should or can be mixed with them. The end.

[Septius]

Originally Posted by magifyre

Shooters are not RPGs. Just because shooters are popular with the brainless masses of video gaming today, does not mean that every other genre should or can be mixed with them. The end.
I think, rather, that there's no room in the genre for this new garbage mix genre.

Ugh, another eliteist. Listen an RPG (role playing game) modern or retro does not have to involve swords and sorcery. It is simply a world where the storyline progresses via your character's actions and interactions, pure and simple. Hence you are playing a role. Add an experience system, and there you go. Also, "no room in the genre"? Really? We haven't been exactly burdened with quality "pure" titles for quite some time.

A shooter is just that, you get an assortment of guns, and a basic, linear story. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by magifyre

Fallout is not an RPG. It is a poorly made shooter that you level up in, and follow a blinking icon to finish "quests".

Wrong. Fallout involves exploration, a level up and stat/perk system, a varied, progressive storyline that depends on your actions, and can be played in third person with a melee/unarmed build. Labeling it as a shooter is misinformed to just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by magifyre

COD are shooters that you level up in.

Can't argue this one.

Originally Posted by magifyre

Borderlands is a shooter that you follow a blinking icon doing "quests".

Yep.

Originally Posted by magifyre

Bioshock is a shooter.

Again I have to disagree to call this a plain "shooter". An excellent story with multiple outcomes, "magic" type abilities w/ leveling, boss fights. It is much more than an FPS among many.

Originally Posted by magifyre

ME is a shooter with dialogue.

I doubt you'd say that about KOTOR (Knights of the Old Republic) which ME borrows heavily from. Again has exploration, a level up and stat system, a varied, progressive storyline that depends on your actions, multiple outcomes


I realize that alot of us are experiencing shooter burnout, but don't misrepresent RPG-style games, which if honest, are far better offerings than we've been getting from purist titles for several years now.

[dante_kinkade]

Originally Posted by Septius

Ugh, another eliteist. Listen an RPG (role playing game) modern or retro does not have to involve swords and sorcery. It is simply a world where the storyline progresses via your character's actions and interactions, pure and simple. Hence you are playing a role. Add an experience system, and there you go. Also, "no room in the genre"? Really? We haven't been exactly burdened with quality "pure" titles for quite some time.

A shooter is just that, you get an assortment of guns, and a basic, linear story. Enjoy.



Wrong. Fallout involves exploration, a level up and stat/perk system, a varied, progressive storyline that depends on your actions, and can be played in third person with a melee/unarmed build. Labeling it as a shooter is misinformed to just plain wrong.



Can't argue this one.



Yep.



Again I have to disagree to call this a plain "shooter". An excellent story with multiple outcomes, "magic" type abilities w/ leveling, boss fights. It is much more than an FPS among many.



I doubt you'd say that about KOTOR (Knights of the Old Republic) which ME borrows heavily from. Again has exploration, a level up and stat system, a varied, progressive storyline that depends on your actions, multiple outcomes


I realize that alot of us are experiencing shooter burnout, but don't misrepresent RPG-style games, which if honest, are far better offerings than we've been getting from purist titles for several years now.

Yeah obvious that you have no real say in this matter if you think it was a 'burden' for having so many amazing games to play and a wide variety of stories in them, it was a golden age so many real rpgs being around and people who enjoyed that time are missing getting real rpgs, now adays there are almost none of them and that is a piss off for us fans of turn based games that focus on story and characters over everything else and have 100+ hour story lines. That is what we want, not things that try to be rpgs but are other games just with rpg elements

hell even deus ex never called itself a rpg when it came out ages ago, it called itself a shooter with rpg elements, so why do other games that do the same feel the need to call themselves rpgs.

I miss the golden age of rpgs from the nes to the ps3, the last great rpg made that blew me away on every level was the world ends with you.