Story Discussion Thread *Spoilers*

[SuperMegaShark]

Originally Posted by Cetra

That would definitely not work. As there is an unlimited number of Serahs and Noels because of infinite timelines and time periods and they travel through time there is an unlimited number of Caius travelling through time and waiting for a danger to destroy.

In theory it would work. But I doubt it.

I dunno, they may be unlimited (which I didn't really get the impression of) but they have to originate from somewhere. There must have been an original Caius. Wouldn't it be possible to find that timeline and get rid of him?

[Cetra]

Originally Posted by SuperMegaShark

I dunno, they may be unlimited (which I didn't really get the impression of) but they have to originate from somewhere. There must have been an original Caius. Wouldn't it be possible to find that timeline and get rid of him?

Of course there are unlimited. It just would not make sense to show unlimited (that's impossible anyway). The fake Caius mentions that Serah and Noel have been in the Augusta Tower. And that is true. ANOTHER Serah and Noel. Of course time travelling is not really a topic to discuss that logical about here but unlimited time periods/time lines = character x infinite. Like the heroes and Ultimecia in Final Fantasy VIII exist times infinite and why Ultimecia can control Edea with the power of another Ultimecia which has already died.

Normally - that's why I say "in theory", it would be possible to get rid of him the way you think. But the story shows us Caius is always travelling through time to remove obstacles. And since there are so many time periods in Final Fantasy XIII-2 I guarantee that it is not even the same Caius all the time. So Caius who remembers you because it is a future version of him or whatever, but not the same Caius since he has not the same consciousness (in case you don't understand what I mean: I don't have the same consciousness as my future self, otherwise we would be only one person living in two time periods - so there would not really be a past and future self, but only me since the consciousness/will i what the person is and not the body - but since I can only experience and notice this time period I am obviously not the same person as the version of me you would meet when you would travel through time).

If you wanted to know something about my spare time activity of thinking about meta physics. Of course there are parts which cannot be understood by us. But this like those, logical things, axioms are fine.

EDIT: metdevil, as I already said more discussion about that will not get us anything. We have to wait anyway so I do not discuss here about this topic anymore.

EDIT II:

"Cetra, you're reading too much into it. It seems like you're saying whatever you possible can to make them somehow alive again. Serah is dead, that's all there is to it really."

I am not reading too much into it. I have the Ultimania, I know the interviews, I have simply every information about Final Fantasy which has become official. And Serah is not "dead". You may not accept that. But it is joke enough to think, that I, the one who is known for being absolutely accurate in Final Fantasy, try to "read something into something", and shows that you don't know me, because I always say what is fact. And maybe you don't want to accept that, but it will not change reality and the truth. I don't say or write something because I am a fan and want things to be like I want it to be. I always say and write how things really are. And I am known for that. I already said that Serah is "something" like "dead", but not dead for real. Serah's message proves me right. Accept it and let's stop it here.

"As for FFX-2's ending. I found the inconsistency not to be Tidus coming back, but in the fayth still being there. The fayth have no reason to be there since Yu Yevon was defeated. That is explained in FFX, but somehow, they come back and dream again."

Which proves that you miss many things because of the poor english translation - but that is not your fault. And the fayth are in the farplain, a place where they are definitely and where they have a reason to be. And Bahamut's offering was an offering for Yuna, so this is also reason enough.

[metdevil678]

Cetra, you're reading too much into it. It seems like you're saying whatever you possible can to make them somehow alive again. Serah is dead, that's all there is to it really.

As for FFX-2's ending. I found the inconsistency not to be Tidus coming back, but in the fayth still being there. The fayth have no reason to be there since Yu Yevon was defeated. That is explained in FFX, but somehow, they come back and dream again.

[Xernova]

I personally don't think Serah is (permanently) dead either. Not just because of her "future message", but also because at some point after FFXIII when the possibility of a sequel was brought up, the answer we got was;

Toriyama then said: "I'd like to at some point make a story where Lightning ends up happy."

I really don't see how any scenario in which Serah stays dead would work as a "story where Lightning ends up happy".
Of course, I suppose Toriyama could just as easily have changed his mind about how to end the story...

[metdevil678]

Originally Posted by Xernova

I really don't see how any scenario in which Serah stays dead would work as a "story where Lightning ends up happy".
Of course, I suppose Toriyama could just as easily have changed his mind about how to end the story...

That'd be one way to mess with players' heads

[ferfurtado]

Hmmm i do preffer the first game in story terms this one is just amm pointless at my point of view and makes u wonder if will be a FFXIII-3 :S

[Infinitez]

I prefer FFXIII in terms of gameplay, story and characters... but.....

..that transformation scene. Maaaaan...... that did it. I'm officially gay for Lightning :P

[LuminanceBreath]

I know this post is kind of out of nowhere considering the direction of this thread, but I just wanted to state my opinion on the end of FFXIII-2, since I just finished it. You know, even before I finished this game, I heard or saw people saying that they didn't like this game because it was a cliffhanger and therefore it was half of a game (or a marketing ploy to get us to buy more stuff - dlc, another game, etc...). I also heard people say that it didn't resolve anything in the story. Is the story the greatest? No. But it's not that bad. Is it full of holes, yes. But, it tried to do something different. The story is actually resolved, just not in a happy way. Serah is dead(?) and she didn't find Lightning. Some people say that this is telling half of a story. No, the resolution of the story IS that Serah died and did not find her sister. That is a resolution, albeit not a "happy" one which is what most people want. I felt like the story came to a conclusion and that the "TO BE CONTINUED" screen is just the promise of another game or dlc. I also feel that the story could have ended without the "TO BE CONTINUED" promise and the story would have been fully resolved and just fine. Again, the resolution presented is not the one that a lot of people wanted from the game, hence all of the complaints. But I like the fact that SquareEnix had the guts to give us an ending that was not cookie-cutter and happy.

[SuperMegaShark]

Originally Posted by LuminanceBreath

But I like the fact that SquareEnix had the guts to give us an ending that was not cookie-cutter and happy.

That is if they stick to it, and not "revive" Serah later with a stupid explanation.

I had mixed feelings about the ending. I liked that they killed of a character and made it an impactful moment and all, but that the whole thing was according to Caius master plan and whatnot and a bunch of stuff just happens out of nowhere to keep the plot going even though it wasn't that remarkable at all. It all felt like too much, and to top it of we get a cliffhanger which is something I hate in endings. It just screams lazy.

Final Fantasy XIII didn't have a "To be continued" attached to it's ending, but it still had a sequel.

[KingBroly]

So here's a question. I just got through Oerba (2nd padding section) at the end of Chapter 4 and I was just wondering when exactly does the story go to complete shit? It might have already, but I may have turned my brain off to its' terribleness already.

As for the game, it's...pretty lazy in a lot of areas. I prefer the Combat in XIII more mainly because the 3rd character has complete freedom of Roles whereas with monsters you're stuck with 1, limiting your Paradigm options.

And apparently the DLC releasing this month is going to "resolve" the ending and I call bullshit on that. I can't see how.