Top 5 Regional Question/Suggestion

[Mendel]

Originally Posted by Psikorps

If you/your friend/spouse whatever were not the first person to do so by over a month, I would be much more inclined to see some validity in your statement. Being a month early to plat a game others dont even have without importing it is nice though.

1. Aeliana (28 Dec 2011 - GMT 09:39:01 pm) 13 days after JPN region release. (NA region)

Everyone else.
NA release January 31, 2012
EU release February 3, 2012

2. Lethal-Hjorth (05 Feb 2012 - GMT 05:04:51 pm) (EU region)
3. Blood_Runs_Cold (06 Feb 2012 - GMT 01:05:17 am) (NA region)
4. Rawanz (07 Feb 2012 - GMT 09:52:40 pm) (EU Region)
5. NovaSD (09 Feb 2012 - GMT 03:12:26 am) (NA Region)


Now if anything that shows that JPN region releases should have their own areas.

The whole point of the top 5 is shaken by your statement, Aeliana snagged the #1 position by a month...because of a imported a copy.

So the top 5 becomes not a race of skill, but rather who is willing to pay the additional fees (if they even have the ability to import from JPN) to import a copy, then skill kicks in as a after thought?

If anything you have proven the reason people want seperate regions rather than to add support against it.

If you look at other sites that track trophy information like first to platinum, isn't that the case anyway? I think I'd prefer having someone listed as the #1 person to platinum for whatever reason if that's actually the case, rather than having a bunch of different lists, but knowing that some people are incorrectly listed as #1 because of the country they live in. The only reason we're having this discussion is because the MCs are manually inputted based on rules we've set up. If the information was automated and therefore more accurate, no one would complain that ____ had the game early, because it would simply be a fact that they earned the platinum before anyone else.

[Bic80]

Originally Posted by Psikorps

The whole point of the top 5 is shaken by your statement, Aeliana snagged the #1 position by a month...because of a imported a copy.

Im sure Aeliana doesnt need to import anything

[jmowen]

Originally Posted by Bic80

Im sure Aeliana doesnt need to import anything

What's that supposed to mean? He's from the US.

[yewjhin]

Originally Posted by Psikorps

If you/your friend/spouse whatever were not the first person to do so by over a month, I would be much more inclined to see some validity in your statement. Being a month early to plat a game others dont even have without importing it is nice though.

1. Aeliana (28 Dec 2011 - GMT 09:39:01 pm) 13 days after JPN region release. (NA region)

Everyone else.
NA release January 31, 2012
EU release February 3, 2012

2. Lethal-Hjorth (05 Feb 2012 - GMT 05:04:51 pm) (EU region)
3. Blood_Runs_Cold (06 Feb 2012 - GMT 01:05:17 am) (NA region)
4. Rawanz (07 Feb 2012 - GMT 09:52:40 pm) (EU Region)
5. NovaSD (09 Feb 2012 - GMT 03:12:26 am) (NA Region)


Now if anything that shows that JPN region releases should have their own areas.

The whole point of the top 5 is shaken by your statement, Aeliana snagged the #1 position by a month...because of a imported a copy.

So the top 5 becomes not a race of skill, but rather who is willing to pay the additional fees (if they even have the ability to import from JPN) to import a copy, then skill kicks in as a after thought?

If anything you have proven the reason people want seperate regions rather than to add support against it.

If anything, you have just proven technole's point instead of the opposite. That's ONE to JP release, and FOUR to NA and EU release.

And let's be honest, retailers like Gamestop, their Employess/Relatives/Shareholders/whatever position you prefer... can get their games early for Western releases, without additional cost.

And face it, there are much more game developer studios in the West than in Japan, so just as much more opportunities to snag an early copy compared to rest of the world.

How are you supposed to address that?

[Psikorps]

Originally Posted by yewjhin

If anything, you have just proven technole's point instead of the opposite. That's ONE to JP release, and FOUR to NA and EU release.

Right 1 JPN to 4 NA/EU with more than a month in between, someone else who might have qualified is cut out because someone was able to get a diffirent region copy ALOT earlier.

And let's be honest, retailers like Gamestop, their Employess/Relatives/Shareholders/whatever position you prefer... can get their games early for Western releases, without additional cost.

Exactly, but not weeks and or months, sometimes a few days though.

And face it, there are much more game developer studios in the West than in Japan, so just as much more opportunities to snag an early copy compared to rest of the world.

How are you supposed to address that?

Very true, which is why people have asked for multi-region clubs instead of a consolidated one, which does exclude many rather than excluding few.

Originally Posted by Mendel

If you look at other sites that track trophy information like first to platinum, isn't that the case anyway? I think I'd prefer having someone listed as the #1 person to platinum for whatever reason if that's actually the case, rather than having a bunch of different lists, but knowing that some people are incorrectly listed as #1 because of the country they live in. The only reason we're having this discussion is because the MCs are manually inputted based on rules we've set up. If the information was automated and therefore more accurate, no one would complain that ____ had the game early, because it would simply be a fact that they earned the platinum before anyone else.

Some yes, some no.

They also tend to list regions, like yourgamecards.net and psnprofiles.com you can sort by region and everything to see how things really break down.

I understand the system here on ps3t is all manually done, which means it needs to be as simplistic as possible to ensure things run smoothly. (And I compliment each and every member that helps keep the machine running smoothly)

All I'm really stating I guess, is that the Top 5 is not "really" the top 5...as there is no equality or standard to keep things in check, someone who imports a copy or whos region gets a earlier release has a big boost towards getting into that clubs top 5, in some cases a BIG head start, which while "fair" in some peoples opinions, as that person still earned the plat/100%, in others they get shafted by their region simply not having access to that title.

So while some may 100%/plat a game within a week from the time they get it, which would put them in the top 5 for that game, but because joe blow, billy bob and hershel imported their copies and had a few week head start, three of the spots are now gone...for no reason other than getting the game early via alternate methods.

Again I understand the system is already complicated enough, and having to break things down into a regional based system would become even more complicated and make for a more difficult time doing things, it still should be noted that the people who do complain about being left out have a valid point.

Also as I stated in my OP, I dont really care, I was just wondering if there was a reason, which seems to be "more work as its more complicated" which is totally fine...I just know now what to tell people when asked.

"It would be too much work to try and break all the submissions for Top 5 spots down into regions, then ensure timestamps and so on, so rather than clog the system, its just easier to keep it the way it is."

Thats all I needed to know.

/bows out of thread satisfied with answer.

[mjc0961]

Originally Posted by Psikorps

All I'm really stating I guess, is that the Top 5 is not "really" the top 5...

Sorry, but nothing you said, especially this, makes no sense. The top 5 is the top 5 people who got the platinum. Just because someone imports a game doesn't mean that they're disqualified. They got their game, they got their platinum first, they deserve to be in the top 5 because they ARE one of the top 5. To say that lists should be separated by region so people who import games don't have to count is what's truly unfair. As stated before, if anyone in another region really cares that much about getting into the top 5, they have the same options to import as anyone else. Or, if they don't care all that much, they can just wait.

The top 5 is indeed "really" the top 5. Top 5 people to get the game and get the platinum in that game. If you think release dates are unfair, complain to the publishers and demand simultaneous release dates. It's not the fault of the users here that release dates are usually staggered, so to say that the top 5 isn't really the top 5 because of something none of us had no control over is completely illogical.

[Psikorps]

Originally Posted by mjc0961

Sorry, but nothing you said, especially this, makes no sense. The top 5 is the top 5 people who got the platinum. Just because someone imports a game doesn't mean that they're disqualified. They got their game, they got their platinum first, they deserve to be in the top 5 because they ARE one of the top 5. To say that lists should be separated by region so people who import games don't have to count is what's truly unfair. As stated before, if anyone in another region really cares that much about getting into the top 5, they have the same options to import as anyone else. Or, if they don't care all that much, they can just wait.

The top 5 is indeed "really" the top 5. Top 5 people to get the game and get the platinum in that game. If you think release dates are unfair, complain to the publishers and demand simultaneous release dates. It's not the fault of the users here that release dates are usually staggered, so to say that the top 5 isn't really the top 5 because of something none of us had no control over is completely illogical.

Thats all personal opinion, which is all I was stating, personal opinion. Neither is right, neither is wrong.

The Top 5 is simply the First 5, and no matter how someone gets there first is acceptable (unless its hacked saves or something of course), thats understood.

The system is in place, and thats the way it is, no matter if some like it or not, thats understood.

so to say that the top 5 isn't really the top 5 because of something none of us had no control over is completely illogical

Its quite logical, since the games release dates are not the point, just the opening of the lists, though it has already be explained that to have multiple or unique region lists would be too difficult and or time consuming, its already been covered.

Everything after the thread reached that point becomes pointless beyond stating why it should or should not be one way or the other in that users personal opinion, the fact wont change, that fact being the ammount of work involved in doing it in regional lists would make it to complicated.

So again...

/bowing out of thread, satisfied with the answer.

[mjc0961]

Originally Posted by Psikorps

Thats all personal opinion, which is all I was stating, personal opinion. Neither is right, neither is wrong.

Why is it that whenever someone says something that's wrong, and someone calls them out on it, they try this "well it's all opinion, neither is wrong" nonsense? No, it's not. The top 5 IS the top 5. I can prove this to be true just by looking at the top 5. It's clearly a list of the first five people who got the platinum. Thus, it is indeed the top 5, and to say that it's not really the top 5 is wrong.

Originally Posted by Psikorps

Its quite logical, since the games release dates are not the point, just the opening of the lists

No, it's not. As yewjhin already said, all that delaying the opening would do is make the club directors sort through more entries to find the top 5. But the top 5 will still be the same 5 people. If you delayed the opening of the FF13-2 club, guess what? Aeliana would still be number one because he got it first. The only difference is you made the club directors sort through more entries to find the top 5. That is the opposite of logic.

[VazzVegas]

Instead of with regards to the region thing, I'll throw a monkey wrench into your argument just for the sake of viewing things from a different perspective.

I noticed today that PS+ members have early access to Journey a week earlier than anyone else. I believe this has happened before and will continue to happen. Using the argument that certain regions having early access to games is unfair, this is also unfair.

Also, using this same logic, we should have separate clubs to people who get advanced copies of games for whatever reason. Almost every game has someone who has the platinum before it has been released anywhere in the world.

It's just life; it's not fair. People shouldn't let it bother them. If it's really a big deal, you shouldn't be asking us to do something about it, you should be writing game publishers and asking them to improve their distribution channels.

[JoshT]

Been in New Zealand we pretty much get games last yet I don't care for the Top 5 Regonal idea. If you want a top 5 award so bad just look for games that don't have the top 5.